Template:Dual-Wielding: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 22:34, 16 September 2022

NOTE: This is a template to organize the dual wield line of feats. Use transclusion to put a copy of the below table into the notes of dual wield feats. This section is noinclude and won't transfer.

Work in progress
Notes

Large races cannot dual wield large weapons (no dual greataxes) with or without monkey grip
Whips, morningstars, and flails: can't offhand because of animations
Double-sided weapons are a thing
Main hand gets full str bonus, offhand get half rounded down
Half-orcs get Ambidexterity for free, so they essentially bypass dex requirements, since MG, TWF, and ITWF don't have dex prerequisites

Feats

Improved two-weapon fighting (adds 2nd offhand attack, reduces the penalty for both hands by 1, free on ranger 9 and if taken before then its wasted)
Dual-wield (feat) (Like having ambi + two-wep, but have to have ranger lvl 1 and light armor or less)
Ambidexterity (reduces the penalty of the off-hand weapon by 4)
Two-weapon fighting (reduces the penalty for both hands by 2)
Monkey Grip (reduces the penalty for both by 2 when offhand the same size)
Dual wield mastery (Doesn't exist anymore. Rangers get +1 at level 9 from imp twf and that is it. Posted on forums to check.)
Offhand Lighter (without a feat, reduces the penalty for both by 2 when offhand lighter)

Feats	Offhand Size	Main AB	Off AB	STR Req	DEX Req	BAB Req
None	Same	-6	-10
None	Lighter	-4	-8
Ambidexterity	Same	-6	-6		13
Ambidexterity	Lighter	-4	-4		13
Two-weapon Fighting	Same	-4	-8
Two-weapon Fighting	Lighter	-2	-6
Monkey Grip	Same	-4	-8	13		3
Monkey Grip	Lighter	-4	-8	13		3
Monkey Grip & Ambidexterity	Same	-4	-4	13	13	3
Monkey Grip & Ambidexterity	Lighter	-4	-4	13	13	3
Monkey Grip & Two-weapon Fighting	Same	-2	-6	13		3
Monkey Grip & Two-weapon Fighting	Lighter	-2	-6	13		3
Ambidexterity & Two-weapon Fighting	Same	-4	-4		13
Ambidexterity & Two-weapon Fighting	Lighter	-2	-2		13
Monkey Grip & Ambidexterity & Two-weapon Fighting	Same	-2	-2	13	13	3
Monkey Grip & Ambidexterity & Two-weapon Fighting	Lighter	-2	-2	13	13	3
Improved Two-Weapon Fighting & Ambidexterity & Two-weapon Fighting	Same	-3	-3		13	9
Improved Two-Weapon Fighting & Ambidexterity & Two-weapon Fighting	Lighter	-1	-1		13	9
Monkey Grip & Improved Two-Weapon Fighting & Ambidexterity & Two-weapon Fighting	Same	-1	-1	13	13	9
Monkey Grip & Improved Two-Weapon Fighting & Ambidexterity & Two-weapon Fighting	Lighter	-1	-1	13	13	9

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 </noinclude>* Work in progress
 * Notes
-:* Large races cannot currently on PGCC dual wield large weapons (no dual greataxes)
+:* Large races cannot dual wield large weapons (no dual greataxes) with or without monkey grip
-:* whips, morningstars, and flails: can't offhand because of animations
+:* Whips, morningstars, and flails: can't offhand because of animations
-:* double-sided weapons are a thing
+:* Double-sided weapons are a thing
+:* Main hand gets full str bonus, offhand get half rounded down
+:* Half-orcs get [[Ambidexterity]] for free, so they essentially bypass dex requirements, since MG, TWF, and ITWF don't have dex prerequisites
 * Feats
 :* [[Improved two-weapon fighting]] (adds 2nd offhand attack, reduces the penalty for both hands by 1, free on ranger 9 and if taken before then its wasted)
-:* [[Dual-wield (feat)]] (Like having ambi * two-wep, but have to have ranger lvl 1 and light armor or less)
+:* [[Dual-wield (feat)]] (Like having ambi + two-wep, but have to have ranger lvl 1 and light armor or less)
 :* [[Ambidexterity]] (reduces the penalty of the off-hand weapon by 4)
 :* [[Two-weapon fighting]] (reduces the penalty for both hands by 2)
-:* [[Monkey Grip]] (same size reduces the penalty for offhand by 2)
+:* [[Monkey Grip]] (reduces the penalty for both by 2 when offhand the same size)
-:* Dual wield mastery (Doesn't exist anymore, rangers get +1 at level 9 from imp twf, tested on PGCC, and that appears to be it. Posted on forums to check.)
+:* Dual wield mastery (Doesn't exist anymore. Rangers get +1 at level 9 from imp twf and that is it. Posted on forums to check.)
-:* Offhand Lighter (without a feat, reduces the penalty for offhand by 2)
+:* Offhand Lighter (without a feat, reduces the penalty for both by 2 when offhand lighter)
 :{| class="wikitable sortable"
 !Feats
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 !style="width:20px;" | Main AB
 !style="width:20px;" | Off  AB
+!style="width:20px;" | STR Req
+!style="width:20px;" | DEX Req
+!style="width:20px;" | BAB Req
 |-
 | style="text-align:right;" | None
@@ Line 25: / Line 30: @@
 | style="text-align:center;" | -6
 | style="text-align:center;" | -10
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" |
 |-
 | style="text-align:right;" | None
@@ Line 30: / Line 38: @@
 | style="text-align:center;" | -4
 | style="text-align:center;" | -8
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" |
 |-
 | style="text-align:right;" | [[Ambidexterity]]
@@ Line 35: / Line 46: @@
 | style="text-align:center;" | -6
 | style="text-align:center;" | -6
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" |
 |-
 | style="text-align:right;" | [[Ambidexterity]]
@@ Line 40: / Line 54: @@
 | style="text-align:center;" | -4
 | style="text-align:center;" | -4
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" |
 |-
 | style="text-align:right;" | [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
@@ Line 45: / Line 62: @@
 | style="text-align:center;" | -4
 | style="text-align:center;" | -8
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" |
 |-
 | style="text-align:right;" | [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
 | style="text-align:center;" | Lighter
+| style="text-align:center;" | -2
+| style="text-align:center;" | -6
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+|-
+| style="text-align:right;" | [[Monkey Grip]]
+| style="text-align:center;" | Same
 | style="text-align:center;" | -4
+| style="text-align:center;" | -8
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" | 3
+|-
+| style="text-align:right;" | [[Monkey Grip]]
+| style="text-align:center;" | Lighter
+| style="text-align:center;" | -4
+| style="text-align:center;" | -8
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" | 3
+|-
+| style="text-align:right;" | [[Monkey Grip]] & [[Ambidexterity]]
+| style="text-align:center;" | Same
+| style="text-align:center;" | -4
+| style="text-align:center;" | -4
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 3
+|-
+| style="text-align:right;" | [[Monkey Grip]] & [[Ambidexterity]]
+| style="text-align:center;" | Lighter
+| style="text-align:center;" | -4
+| style="text-align:center;" | -4
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 3
+|-
+| style="text-align:right;" | [[Monkey Grip]] & [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
+| style="text-align:center;" | Same
+| style="text-align:center;" | -2
+| style="text-align:center;" | -6
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" | 3
+|-
+| style="text-align:right;" | [[Monkey Grip]] & [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
+| style="text-align:center;" | Lighter
+| style="text-align:center;" | -2
 | style="text-align:center;" | -6
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" | 3
 |-
 | style="text-align:right;" | [[Ambidexterity]] & [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
@@ Line 55: / Line 126: @@
 | style="text-align:center;" | -4
 | style="text-align:center;" | -4
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" |
 |-
 | style="text-align:right;" | [[Ambidexterity]] & [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
@@ Line 60: / Line 134: @@
 | style="text-align:center;" | -2
 | style="text-align:center;" | -2
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" |
 |-
 | style="text-align:right;" | [[Monkey Grip]] & [[Ambidexterity]] & [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
@@ Line 65: / Line 142: @@
 | style="text-align:center;" | -2
 | style="text-align:center;" | -2
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 3
 |-
 | style="text-align:right;" | [[Monkey Grip]] & [[Ambidexterity]] & [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
@@ Line 70: / Line 150: @@
 | style="text-align:center;" | -2
 | style="text-align:center;" | -2
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 3
+|-
+|-
+| style="text-align:right;" | [[Improved Two-Weapon Fighting]] & [[Ambidexterity]] & [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
+| style="text-align:center;" | Same
+| style="text-align:center;" | -3
+| style="text-align:center;" | -3
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 9
+|-
+| style="text-align:right;" | [[Improved Two-Weapon Fighting]] & [[Ambidexterity]] & [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
+| style="text-align:center;" | Lighter
+| style="text-align:center;" | -1
+| style="text-align:center;" | -1
+| style="text-align:center;" |
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 9
+|-
+| style="text-align:right;" | [[Monkey Grip]] & [[Improved Two-Weapon Fighting]] & [[Ambidexterity]] & [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
+| style="text-align:center;" | Same
+| style="text-align:center;" | -1
+| style="text-align:center;" | -1
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 9
+|-
+| style="text-align:right;" | [[Monkey Grip]] & [[Improved Two-Weapon Fighting]] & [[Ambidexterity]] & [[Two-weapon Fighting]]
+| style="text-align:center;" | Lighter
+| style="text-align:center;" | -1
+| style="text-align:center;" | -1
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 13
+| style="text-align:center;" | 9
 |-
 |}